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A long kiss goodnight
Oh? Do you want me to give you my few notes? You may have most of my resources and more, but I want to help if I can
Sure i could bring up what people are saying in their thoughts on why.
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ranger isn't forcing their beliefs on any of us though so i think they're fine to believe whatever they wish about the ethics of copying on a cultural/societal level
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i just disagree
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they haven't done anything wrong though let's be clear
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just a different opinion
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Tewi: The word tulpa has nothing to do with Tibet anymore, that's our stance. We stole the term from metaphysical circles to use for a less-metaphysical lookalike phenomenon (to the paranormal one). (edited)
I think it's worthwhile to point out the term (and community) originated on /x/
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we don't have to carry their language forwards
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ranger isn't forcing their beliefs on any of us though so i think they're fine to believe whatever they wish about the ethics of copying on a cultural/societal level
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:40 PM
well, that's why i asked how Ranger is going to feel about other people using the word if they are starting to develop a strong emotional reaction to it, especially calling it racist for example, i couldn't stand to be around people who use n-word (edited)
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya
Why is everyone so hyper focused on race and culture isolationism these days... Humans frequently take inspiration from each other, and from other countries. Yes, there are horrible attocitied being commited in Tibet at present. But why would that mean we should isolate their culture and say "only they can use that stuff." By instead CELEBRATING their culture, and saying "hey, these guys are pretty smart and enlightened, I'd like to learn more about their practices", you not only validate them, but also bring attention to them, which inadvertently highlights whatever the current state of the culture is.
A long kiss goodnight 8/22/2023 9:40 PM
That is fine, but the term tulpa does the opposite- it basically says our version of what we think how Buddhism works is more important than what it actually is From what I have heard and read, western tulpas have nothing to do with Tibetan Buddhist practice. To my understanding, it consists of:
  • Creating godforms and
  • Making an identity only to laugh and say personalitys aren't real
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/22/2023 9:41 PM
I don't... what. How is using a term for something else invalidating the origins?
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I can't follow your argument.
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There are thousands of words that have multiple, completely differnet meanings in every langauge (edited)
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A long kiss goodnight
That is fine, but the term tulpa does the opposite- it basically says our version of what we think how Buddhism works is more important than what it actually is From what I have heard and read, western tulpas have nothing to do with Tibetan Buddhist practice. To my understanding, it consists of:
  • Creating godforms and
  • Making an identity only to laugh and say personalitys aren't real
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:41 PM
hmm but noone doing tulpamancy is doing it in the context of buddhism (edited)
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@Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya what's your name, UMF?
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
hmm but noone doing tulpamancy is doing it in the context of buddhism (edited)
A long kiss goodnight 8/22/2023 9:42 PM
Right, which is why using a word with Tibetan Buddhist roots is weird...
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your current one is a bit long
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A long kiss goodnight
Right, which is why using a word with Tibetan Buddhist roots is weird...
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:43 PM
yeah it's incorrect and silly lol
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totally agreed
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like calling a wyvern a dragon
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but even more silly
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/22/2023 9:43 PM
Huh? I mean its near the character limit but I thought it was helpful to list the name the host goes by on here, and our two tulpas
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Dragon is actually a GREAT example to use here
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Its has meaning in almost every culture
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:43 PM
(all my talking about abandoning labels and i still can't get over people calling wyverns dragons)
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/22/2023 9:44 PM
And that meaning is something different to almoste everyone
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But it doesnt invalidate the other uses of the word
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Chineese dragons have very little in common with european dragons
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Or Aztec dragons
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But every culture has their own dragon lore
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Does that mean that chineese dragons are invalid if you like eurorpean dragons?
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I would also like to use a new set of words--while it does not make me uncomfortable to see the word tulpa, I do think the community would be better served with a new set of phrases, and the origins of the word are still rooted in colonialism. It may be low-impact, but there is nothing stopping the community from making multiple changes at once :)
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
well, that's why i asked how Ranger is going to feel about other people using the word if they are starting to develop a strong emotional reaction to it, especially calling it racist for example, i couldn't stand to be around people who use n-word (edited)
A long kiss goodnight 8/22/2023 9:46 PM
I don’t think tulpa is anything like the n-word, my golly. At the moment, I do know the issue is complicated. Even if tulpa is unquestionably racist, the Tibetan Buddhists may want us to use tulpa anyway so they have one more group of people talking about them and their culture. They face censorship and totalitarian squashing from China. Given that and the fact I defended the term tulpa in the past, how can I be mad at people for using tulpa? I can't even say definitively if it's racist
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A long kiss goodnight
I don’t think tulpa is anything like the n-word, my golly. At the moment, I do know the issue is complicated. Even if tulpa is unquestionably racist, the Tibetan Buddhists may want us to use tulpa anyway so they have one more group of people talking about them and their culture. They face censorship and totalitarian squashing from China. Given that and the fact I defended the term tulpa in the past, how can I be mad at people for using tulpa? I can't even say definitively if it's racist
I have now seen 2 people say the same thing about totalitarianism towards the tibetan ethnic minority from China--does anyone have a source that is not RFA or the Tibetan Government in Exile?
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya
Dragon is actually a GREAT example to use here
A long kiss goodnight 8/22/2023 9:47 PM
I disagree, to my knowledge dragons aren't misinterpreting an oppressed group of people's religion
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A long kiss goodnight
I don’t think tulpa is anything like the n-word, my golly. At the moment, I do know the issue is complicated. Even if tulpa is unquestionably racist, the Tibetan Buddhists may want us to use tulpa anyway so they have one more group of people talking about them and their culture. They face censorship and totalitarian squashing from China. Given that and the fact I defended the term tulpa in the past, how can I be mad at people for using tulpa? I can't even say definitively if it's racist
Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/22/2023 9:47 PM
Unquestionably rascist is an opinion, and you state it as fact. That's what people take issue with (edited)
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I should say, RFA or another US/CIA-funded media org
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/22/2023 9:48 PM
It's a lot more compicated than a blanket statement
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A long kiss goodnight
I disagree, to my knowledge dragons aren't misinterpreting an oppressed group of people's religion
I would agree with Ranger here--there is little resemblance between the relation of dragons across cultures (people just like big lizards I spose!) and tulpas (a plural experience that is not related to the original source material we drew the word from)
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so... who's gonna tell pleeb that they have to buy a new domain?
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A long kiss goodnight
I don’t think tulpa is anything like the n-word, my golly. At the moment, I do know the issue is complicated. Even if tulpa is unquestionably racist, the Tibetan Buddhists may want us to use tulpa anyway so they have one more group of people talking about them and their culture. They face censorship and totalitarian squashing from China. Given that and the fact I defended the term tulpa in the past, how can I be mad at people for using tulpa? I can't even say definitively if it's racist
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:48 PM
thanks for clarifying (edited)
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so... who's gonna tell pleeb that they have to buy a new domain?
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:49 PM
it’s only $15
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i posted a screenshot
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya
Unquestionably rascist is an opinion, and you state it as fact. That's what people take issue with (edited)
I can't even say definitively if it's racist
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
it’s only $15
does that let you host it
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:49 PM
it will cost more to make the new discord logo
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya
Unquestionably rascist is an opinion, and you state it as fact. That's what people take issue with (edited)
A long kiss goodnight 8/22/2023 9:49 PM
I'm sorry, in that argument I was saying even if. I don't think tulpa is unquestionably racist, I just think it's racist. I need to prove it's racist first, and even then I doubt I can unquestionably prove it (edited)
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does that let you host it
@sh - jump the domain is just a name--you can assign it to any server you want
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
like calling a wyvern a dragon
wyverns are dragons lol
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A long kiss goodnight
I'm sorry, in that argument I was saying even if. I don't think tulpa is unquestionably racist, I just think it's racist. I need to prove it's racist first, and even then I doubt I can unquestionably prove it (edited)
Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/22/2023 9:50 PM
I must have missread, my applogigies.
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wyverns are dragons lol
Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/22/2023 9:50 PM
Not by european standards for dragons. But that answer changes depending on which culture's definations you look at for dragons.
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wyverns are dragons lol
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:50 PM
that’s modern invention, historically they were separate
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does that let you host it
@sh - jump the domain is just a name--you can assign it to any server you want
are there recurrent fees
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A long kiss goodnight
I'm sorry, in that argument I was saying even if. I don't think tulpa is unquestionably racist, I just think it's racist. I need to prove it's racist first, and even then I doubt I can unquestionably prove it (edited)
I think you may struggle to find sources for proving the word tulpa is racist specifically--however, you could construct an argument that it is using academic sources on the origins of racism-in-language; good resources are almost certainly abundant if you look for American history on racialized language :)
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are there recurrent fees
@sh - jump yearly, yes. I pay for one for $12/year, although I will have to migrate because google sold their domain sale service
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A long kiss goodnight
I'm sorry, in that argument I was saying even if. I don't think tulpa is unquestionably racist, I just think it's racist. I need to prove it's racist first, and even then I doubt I can unquestionably prove it (edited)
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:51 PM
hmmm i’m not sure i follow Usually someone proves first and then thinks based on the proof…?
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so... who's gonna tell pleeb that they have to buy a new domain?
A long kiss goodnight 8/22/2023 9:51 PM
I feel it's too much to ask that right now. I just want to explain why I'm switching to comate for my sanity, I don't want to ask for other people to do anything until I have things written out and well researched
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/22/2023 9:52 PM
With all this talk of rascism surrounding the term, I think we missed the biggest question: Is us using the term in the way we are using it actually hurting anyone? (edited)
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I'm gonna have to reserve a domain name for pluralchat early huh
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
hmmm i’m not sure i follow Usually someone proves first and then thinks based on the proof…?
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:52 PM
if you start with the conclusion and then try to prove it, isn’t that rationalisation? (edited)
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
hmmm i’m not sure i follow Usually someone proves first and then thinks based on the proof…?
A long kiss goodnight 8/22/2023 9:52 PM
It's probably going to take a long time for me to prove if tulpa is racist or not. All I have now is what research I have done and my gut feelings
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 8/22/2023 9:52 PM
brainbuddychat
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dont abbreviate it lookingdownsmile
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/22/2023 9:53 PM
lol
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:53 PM
ranger so how would you call tulpamancy?
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae
dont abbreviate it lookingdownsmile
british broadcasting corporation already has that acronym
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae
brainbuddychat
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:53 PM
some people keep their headmates in brain some keep their heartmates in heart
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british broadcasting corporation already has that acronym
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:54 PM
shield means BBC
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya
With all this talk of rascism surrounding the term, I think we missed the biggest question: Is us using the term in the way we are using it actually hurting anyone? (edited)
A long kiss goodnight 8/22/2023 9:54 PM
I can't say it's hurting anyone other than some people I met online. Hence why I want to find people to talk to. I do know that there are a lot of people who use tulpa in a racist way- like selling tulpamancy as this mystical Buddhist practice for hundreds of dollars.
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya
With all this talk of rascism surrounding the term, I think we missed the biggest question: Is us using the term in the way we are using it actually hurting anyone? (edited)
I think it may be that the usage of the phrase may cause incorrect associations in people's minds surrounding Tibetan Buddhism--this is similar to parodies of Native American religious practices forming the cultural idea of what it is in people's minds. We can also see the two instances of "tulpas" being mentioned by name in popular media (Adventure Time, Supernatural) as an instance of this
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
ranger so how would you call tulpamancy?
A long kiss goodnight 8/22/2023 9:54 PM
Cocreation, but comancy works too
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A long kiss goodnight
I can't say it's hurting anyone other than some people I met online. Hence why I want to find people to talk to. I do know that there are a lot of people who use tulpa in a racist way- like selling tulpamancy as this mystical Buddhist practice for hundreds of dollars.
wait there are people selling tulpa guides??
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wait there are people selling tulpa guides??
A long kiss goodnight 8/22/2023 9:55 PM
Yes
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
shield means BBC
yeah exactly
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A long kiss goodnight
I can't say it's hurting anyone other than some people I met online. Hence why I want to find people to talk to. I do know that there are a lot of people who use tulpa in a racist way- like selling tulpamancy as this mystical Buddhist practice for hundreds of dollars.
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:55 PM
hmm are the hurt people tibetan buddists?
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A long kiss goodnight
Yes
lmao people pay to have their abilities stunted?? this is incredible (negative)
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A long kiss goodnight
I can't say it's hurting anyone other than some people I met online. Hence why I want to find people to talk to. I do know that there are a lot of people who use tulpa in a racist way- like selling tulpamancy as this mystical Buddhist practice for hundreds of dollars.
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:55 PM
wait there are people who teach it as a buddhist practice
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lol
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ok so how about a white person selling a book about buddhism
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
hmm are the hurt people tibetan buddists?
A long kiss goodnight 8/22/2023 9:56 PM
I agree people claiming on Discord isn't the best source. That's why I hope to get in touch with a more credible authority
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I'll kind of reiterate my thoughts in here for those looking for context, as when we were discussing this previously. These are some stray thoughts / info dumps Alexandra David-Neel was french, though her guide, Kazi Dawa Samdup was Tibetian. He was a headmaster at that British school that Ranger mentioned, and worked on several translation projects, including help with authoring the Tibetian Book of the Dead. According to Tracking the Tulpa (N. Mikles & J. Laycok), from the Journal of Emergent Religions (2015), (which I'm pulling most direct quotes from):
The tulpa was first described by Alexandra David-Neel (1868-1969) in Magic and Mystery in Tibet (1929) and is still regarded as a Tibetan concept. However, the idea of the tulpa is more indebted to Theosophy than to Tibetan Buddhism. This article explores the murky origins of the tulpa to show how the concept emerged from a dialogue between East and West in which Theosophical metaphysics were combined with terms adapted from Tibetan Buddhism.
It goes on to note
Significantly, both David-Neel and Evans-Wentz had backgrounds in Theosophy and relied on the translation services of Kazi Dawa Samdup (1868-1923), who was educated at the Butia Boarding School in Darjeeling, a school created to train interpreters and geographers to advance British interests in Tibet.8 Samdup became an important interpreter for the British and an influential translator. Although not a monk, he apparently had an interest in religion and esotericism. David-Neel described him as "an occultist and even, in a certain way, a mystic."9 **Whatever Samdup's metaphysical interests were, they almost certainly shaped how David-Neel and Evans-Wentz came to understand tulpas.**
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I think some of the arguments that tulpa is a racist term is noting that Alexandra misunderstood another term, but I probably wouldn't equate tiilkus with tulpas, because even David-Neel identified that they were different things:
The earliest mention of tulpas appeared in Magic and Mystery in Tibet (1929) by Alexandra David-Neel (1868-1969), who defined tulpa as "phantoms." She explained that tulpas were related to tulkus, which she said were "forms created by magic. . . . . By David-Neel's own admission, the difference between tulpa and tulku is murky; tulpas are created by magicians while tiilkus are an aspect of buddhas and bodhisattvas and are more enduring.5 . . . . Tiilkus and tulpas appear again in Walter Evans-Wentz' [also helped translate Book Of The Dead] (1878-1965) version of The Tibetan Book of Great Liberation ( 1954), where he built on David-Neel's distinction ... "The Tibetans call the One Mind's concretized visualization the Khorva (Hkhorva), equivalent to the Sanskrit Sangsara [samsara]; that of an incarnate deity, like the Dalai or Tashi Lama [Panchen Lama], they call a Tul-ku (Sprul-sku), and that of a magician a Tul-pa (Sprul-pa), meaning a magically produced illusion or creation.7"
It looks like David-Neel equated Tulpas to thought-forms which were at least a thing heavily discussed in the Book of the Dead, and Thoughtforms were more in line with Theosophical metaphysics (which was Russian-American). Since we know that Samdup studied Theosophy, that may be a factor.
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There's also another academic paper that I've been slowly trying to get through on and off, "Of Offal, Corpses, and Others: An Examination of Self, Subjectivity, and Authenticity in Two Works by Alexandra David-Neel" -- which references a quote (which I cannot acquire the source from) from the Dalai Lama that states:
Its [ the book] great merit is that it conveys the authentic flavor of Tibet as she found it, described with affectionate humor. Perhaps scholars and historians today would challenge many of the author’s opinions, but this does not affect her work’s intrinsic worth” ( Gyatso i). The idea that one of the leading voices on Tibetan history and culture would claim that a westerner was able to provide a level of authenticity regarding his culture is a significant statement. Indeed, the idea that a western woman could produce an authentic Tibet within her books is in direct contradiction with much post-colonial theory.
(Page 22, section "II. SKELETONS OF THE “OTHER”: POST-COLONIALISM AND NARRATOLOGY") I'll take some time to read that whole section to see if this paper is tearing this all down or not, or validating his statement.
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I think it may be that the usage of the phrase may cause incorrect associations in people's minds surrounding Tibetan Buddhism--this is similar to parodies of Native American religious practices forming the cultural idea of what it is in people's minds. We can also see the two instances of "tulpas" being mentioned by name in popular media (Adventure Time, Supernatural) as an instance of this
Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/22/2023 9:57 PM
The west already doesn't understand Buddhism. I can see the validity of this argument. However, I can't find anyting that states that the buddhist term even sounds or is spelled the same as "tulpa". Its not even really the same word, even when its pronouced, is it? We don't even share the same alphabet as their language does.
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:57 PM
is headmaster a term for host in a tibetan buddhist tulpamancy practice?
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/22/2023 9:57 PM
I'm not sure how much damage can be done when the term only has association if you go out of your way to find the singular book linking them.
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
is headmaster a term for host in a tibetan buddhist tulpamancy practice?
To respond seriously: He ran the school.
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya
The west already doesn't understand Buddhism. I can see the validity of this argument. However, I can't find anyting that states that the buddhist term even sounds or is spelled the same as "tulpa". Its not even really the same word, even when its pronouced, is it? We don't even share the same alphabet as their language does.
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:58 PM
when you look at the actual pronounciation it’s closer to tulpa than sprulpa , it’s more like tsulpa
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/22/2023 9:58 PM
Though I will admit I have not does as much research on this topic as it sounds like some of you have.
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
when you look at the actual pronounciation it’s closer to tulpa than sprulpa , it’s more like tsulpa
Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/22/2023 9:58 PM
Yeah thats what I thought.
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But this is language. Changing one letter or sylabil completely changes the word
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya
Though I will admit I have not does as much research on this topic as it sounds like some of you have.
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 9:59 PM
i did talk about it before, can send you a link later if interested, im in bath now and can’t search on browser based discord (edited)
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/22/2023 9:59 PM
I'd love to read more on this, sure~
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I'll kind of reiterate my thoughts in here for those looking for context, as when we were discussing this previously. These are some stray thoughts / info dumps Alexandra David-Neel was french, though her guide, Kazi Dawa Samdup was Tibetian. He was a headmaster at that British school that Ranger mentioned, and worked on several translation projects, including help with authoring the Tibetian Book of the Dead. According to Tracking the Tulpa (N. Mikles & J. Laycok), from the Journal of Emergent Religions (2015), (which I'm pulling most direct quotes from):
The tulpa was first described by Alexandra David-Neel (1868-1969) in Magic and Mystery in Tibet (1929) and is still regarded as a Tibetan concept. However, the idea of the tulpa is more indebted to Theosophy than to Tibetan Buddhism. This article explores the murky origins of the tulpa to show how the concept emerged from a dialogue between East and West in which Theosophical metaphysics were combined with terms adapted from Tibetan Buddhism.
It goes on to note
Significantly, both David-Neel and Evans-Wentz had backgrounds in Theosophy and relied on the translation services of Kazi Dawa Samdup (1868-1923), who was educated at the Butia Boarding School in Darjeeling, a school created to train interpreters and geographers to advance British interests in Tibet.8 Samdup became an important interpreter for the British and an influential translator. Although not a monk, he apparently had an interest in religion and esotericism. David-Neel described him as "an occultist and even, in a certain way, a mystic."9 **Whatever Samdup's metaphysical interests were, they almost certainly shaped how David-Neel and Evans-Wentz came to understand tulpas.**
I knew the basic outline of the story, I appreciate you posting detailed notes on it :)
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya
But this is language. Changing one letter or sylabil completely changes the word
champing ne lette doesn't compleely chonge th ward
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lmao people pay to have their abilities stunted?? this is incredible (negative)
A long kiss goodnight 8/22/2023 10:00 PM
This is not what I was thinking of but I have to share this lol https://www.udemy.com/course/tulpamancy/
Creating Conscious Sentient Beings Within The Mind
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Tracking the Tulpa -- which was an academic paper on this subject -- and some other reading material can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/wiki/nobillis_library
r/Tulpas: Ever wondered what it would be like to have a mental companion who can think and act on their own? That's what a tulpa is. Discuss tulpas …
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/22/2023 10:00 PM
I still take issue with calling any of this "rascist", though. At worst, it's cultural appropriation.
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Pleeb
I think some of the arguments that tulpa is a racist term is noting that Alexandra misunderstood another term, but I probably wouldn't equate tiilkus with tulpas, because even David-Neel identified that they were different things:
The earliest mention of tulpas appeared in Magic and Mystery in Tibet (1929) by Alexandra David-Neel (1868-1969), who defined tulpa as "phantoms." She explained that tulpas were related to tulkus, which she said were "forms created by magic. . . . . By David-Neel's own admission, the difference between tulpa and tulku is murky; tulpas are created by magicians while tiilkus are an aspect of buddhas and bodhisattvas and are more enduring.5 . . . . Tiilkus and tulpas appear again in Walter Evans-Wentz' [also helped translate Book Of The Dead] (1878-1965) version of The Tibetan Book of Great Liberation ( 1954), where he built on David-Neel's distinction ... "The Tibetans call the One Mind's concretized visualization the Khorva (Hkhorva), equivalent to the Sanskrit Sangsara [samsara]; that of an incarnate deity, like the Dalai or Tashi Lama [Panchen Lama], they call a Tul-ku (Sprul-sku), and that of a magician a Tul-pa (Sprul-pa), meaning a magically produced illusion or creation.7"
It looks like David-Neel equated Tulpas to thought-forms which were at least a thing heavily discussed in the Book of the Dead, and Thoughtforms were more in line with Theosophical metaphysics (which was Russian-American). Since we know that Samdup studied Theosophy, that may be a factor.
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 10:01 PM
interesting
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A long kiss goodnight
This is not what I was thinking of but I have to share this lol https://www.udemy.com/course/tulpamancy/
no fuckin way people are paying for webcam footage of someone describing very basic guides from tulpa.info 😭
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A long kiss goodnight 8/22/2023 10:01 PM
This final class in the series explains the methods people use for creating tulpas. While it will touch on the psychological perspective, it is focused on the metaphysical acts of creating a tulpa from start to finish. It is recommended that the people who wish to attend this class have been to the first two, and it is vital that they have at le...
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